Your Egypt

[moll]

I'm sitting here, having read SeaBird's posts about the Taliban being the 'Spirit of Islam', remembering all the crap he's ever posted about the Americans 'coming to get him', his idiot conspiracy theories, the evils of the west (interspersed with details of his ogling women in the mall, his memories of p o r n movies he's watched, his sniggering about sex with his nephew (all the things that my western husband would think were beneath him), his complete, total hypocrisy ........and I've had it. I actually feel quite nauseous about the hypocrisy of this person.

I could accept this, as the ravings of ONE member....but not ONE other Muslim member here has shown any sort of disagreement with what he's saying..........and to cap it all, I've just read the 'October war' topic, where Lolypop and SeaBird are comforting each other with how the Egyptians are going to fight back when the bad American people come for them, as they definitely will, no doubts about that, it's all in the master plan..... :roll:

Had it with this..........bye for a while.

[Hoss]

moll wrote: I'm sitting here, having read SeaBird's posts about the Taliban being the 'Spirit of Islam', remembering all the crap he's ever posted about the Americans 'coming to get him', his idiot conspiracy theories, the evils of the west (interspersed with details of his ogling women in the mall, his memories of p o r n movies he's watched, his sniggering about sex with his nephew (all the things that my western husband would think were beneath him), his complete, total hypocrisy ........and I've had it. I actually feel quite nauseous about the hypocrisy of this person.

I could accept this, as the ravings of ONE member....but not ONE other Muslim member here has shown any sort of disagreement with what he's saying..........and to cap it all, I've just read the 'October war' topic, where Lolypop and SeaBird are comforting each other with how the Egyptians are going to fight back when the bad American people come for them, as they definitely will, no doubts about that, it's all in the master plan..... :roll:

Had it with this..........bye for a while.

Moll,
I wonder if SS is the real reason why you're off!
By mentioning SB, I guess he's just stating in his own views, which doesn't necessarily mean that's it's all the Muslims' view, nor that what he talked about in October's Victory thread is 100% correct...
I personally haven't read the October victory thread in full yet..It's too long to read now...What loly has stated in it it are just facts...I don't know if this is what's bothering you or SB's talk about American Invasion? To tell you the truth, in this unfair and nonsense world, nobody knows what's going to happen next from the "masters of the world" and I hope I am not intimidating anyone here...Just look at how they justify their interference in each country : Sectarian clashes between Christians and Muslims in Egypt, Darfour's problem in Sudan...Iran's nuclear aspirations...Palestinian democracy...Venezuela's patriotism, and refusal to American influence...the list goes on...
I see were SB is coming from, though I don't 100% agree with him...
As for the Taliban thread, I haven't read it yet...So I guess it's fair enough to wait for other members to read it at their own pace, and then write their comments, if any, and then you can issue judgments about other Muslim members' opinion...
As for SB's interest in women, wherever they are, I thought this was considered before by Alisa, and I guess there was nothing conclusive about it at that time...Doesn't mean that the people like it, or that they have accepted it either...
I don't know Moll...I sense some frustration in your words, which might have many reasons....I think one of them is that the forum isn't really active as it used to be...The posters are so slow...I tried myself to introduce new members, which are not so frequent in posting...but maybe this needs some input from Ray....whenever he has time..I do hope all members of this forum to have their input too...

[KayCee]

Dear Moll.... You remember when I first came here & SS & I would have a row... have you noticed how I havent had one in a long time? THats cause I dont go over thre in that part of the forum. I simply shut that part of the forum off for me. There are so many other parts that I enjoy!

Dont let that section keep you from the rest of it!

(P.S. I make Hoss moderate over there :lol: :lol: :lol: )

[ayisha]

moll wrote: I'm sitting here, having read SeaBird's posts about the Taliban being the 'Spirit of Islam', remembering all the crap he's ever posted about the Americans 'coming to get him', his idiot conspiracy theories, the evils of the west (interspersed with details of his ogling women in the mall, his memories of p o r n movies he's watched, his sniggering about sex with his nephew (all the things that my western husband would think were beneath him), his complete, total hypocrisy ........and I've had it. I actually feel quite nauseous about the hypocrisy of this person.

I could accept this, as the ravings of ONE member....but not ONE other Muslim member here has shown any sort of disagreement with what he's saying..........and to cap it all, I've just read the 'October war' topic, where Lolypop and SeaBird are comforting each other with how the Egyptians are going to fight back when the bad American people come for them, as they definitely will, no doubts about that, it's all in the master plan..... :roll:

Had it with this..........bye for a while.

Moll i only just came back here :roll: was it something i said :? dont leave me :smt089

[sunshine-in-cairo]

moll wrote: I'm sitting here, having read SeaBird's posts about the Taliban being the 'Spirit of Islam', remembering all the crap he's ever posted about the Americans 'coming to get him', his idiot conspiracy theories, the evils of the west (interspersed with details of his ogling women in the mall, his memories of p o r n movies he's watched, his sniggering about sex with his nephew (all the things that my western husband would think were beneath him), his complete, total hypocrisy ........and I've had it. I actually feel quite nauseous about the hypocrisy of this person.

I could accept this, as the ravings of ONE member....but not ONE other Muslim member here has shown any sort of disagreement with what he's saying..........and to cap it all, I've just read the 'October war' topic, where Lolypop and SeaBird are comforting each other with how the Egyptians are going to fight back when the bad American people come for them, as they definitely will, no doubts about that, it's all in the master plan..... :roll:

Had it with this..........bye for a while.


Hi Moll,

Don't be upset by SB's wrds/views/comments. i don't defend what he writes because i don't have the time to read his long winded posts that vary rarely have a valid point. Whenever i see his looooooooooooooooong posts i promptly leave that topic and read another more interesting one. I know i haven't posted in a long while but i have been working 15 hour days and haven't had much of a social life while i adapt to my new position. It getting better now, so i hope (and intend) to post more.

Moll not every Muslim has views like SB. We don't all believe that "America is after us" but i do believe that if they were for some s t u p i d reason to invade Egypt then yes we would fight with all our might to get them out. America does think that they have the right to do as they please and i'm over it. They say they want to invade Iran for having nuclear activity... but do you honestly think that they don't have the same?? They just want everyone else to be beneath them in every form of the word.

And thats not to say i hate them all. I don't like Mr Bush or his policies or what he stands for. But that doesn't mean that i won't be nice to the next American person that i meet.

Most Moslems are quite liberal in their views and it is the minority that are extreme. Please don't let that taint your view of us Egyptian/Moslems... most of us are good people.

Don't leave... you make this place interesting!!!

Sunshine...

P.S Aisha... welcme back!!!

[stellaspice]

i agree with all of the aforesaid.
I must admit I tend to steer clear of the really long posts like SS's for 2 reasons - 1 I mostly acess this site from work during break/lunchtime so I've not got a lot of time to look at all posts and 2, because I tend not to agree with some of what he has to say, and to avoid getting myself 'upset'. And as for his views of the opposite sex and joking with - was it his nephew - I forget now - well maybe you and I are lucky that we don't have husbands like that but sadly just listening to some of the men I work with, about 75% of the so called 'christian white majority' are as bad if not worse than he is, or at least he seems that way. Also, I believe a lot of what he posts is to get us agitated. He's not alone there, there are others.
Certainly don't brush all Muslims with the same brush. Some muslims on this site, like me will probably just steer clear of his posts. I used to answer them in the past but not so much now. And possibly the same is also true of other religions and those without a religion. As for one muslim, whether its one or more, just because they agree with him on some aspects of his views, doesn't mean they agree with everything - after all, as an english person I too would feel like an egyptian at the idea of american troops 'invading my country' if I thought it were a threat. I don't believe I have the same sort of hangups about the US as many countries of the middle east do - but be fair, in some respects you have to see if from their point to - the US is THE dominant world power at present, and she does seem to be putting her nose (in some cases quite rightly) into what other countries do, and she has sent her troops to alot of other countries. No wonder some countries feel they are under threat.

Hope you don't leave the forum just because of this ........... then it won't just be SS that you are snubbing will it ?

[ageperfect]

If I read the Politics and Religion threads, I would long be gone from this forum. Everybody has a “truth” and there is no way on earth to make others understand that there are other truths out there that are as good as theirs. It’s a waste of time to try to discuss those things as far as I am concerned. In real life and in a forum.

Now Moll, if you feel that you need a break from YE, that’s your decision. But don’t be gone too long. We already miss you. :smt056

[moll]

Hoss wrote:



To tell you the truth, in this unfair and nonsense world, nobody knows what's going to happen next from the "masters of the world"
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But that's just where you're wrong, Hoss........SeaBird has it ALL worked out, he knows the secret workings of the US intelligence services, he knows EXACTLY what their plans are, and believe me, he's in them :roll:

I think that's what REALLY does my head in.........he posts like there's no question he's right, like he's got some sort of special inside knowledge the rest of us haven't got, only we're all too bloody stupid to see it, and trying to discuss anything with him just results in more pathetic paranoia......

Is this REALLY the sort of public image of Islam you want to see? someone who appears to be spending his life cowering in fear of them coming to get him? someone who boasts about the p o r n movies he's watched, but thinks it was a great idea for the Taliban to MAKE Afghan women cover up so that they couldn't even see properly? bcs I don't see many people disagreeing with him....

Somebody (and I THINK it was you) said, I see where he's coming from, put yourself in his position.......how about trying that the other way round, and trying to put yourself in MY position?

First of all, if I were in his position, I wouldn't be spending my whole life sh*tting myself (excuse crudeness and bad language) about something that may or may NOT happen.....I'd keep my fear and cowardice to myself. In fact, it DOES seriously worry me that Muslim extremists WILL achieve their apparent objectives and turn the whole thing into a jihad against the whole non-Islamic world.......but I'm damned if i'm going to sit here saying 'OOOH I'm soooo scared of them, like he's obviously SOOOOO scared of the US.......ooh but I'm going to be ever so brave when it happens, I'll fight back and that'll send them packing' :roll:

Secondly, if I were in his position, and someone came on here who actually DID (please note past tense) want to discuss it, who as a non-Muslim westerner was interested in exchanging honest, intelligent views and admitted that the US has no business being in Iraq, who has expressed contempt for GWB, who also worries about the long term effects of US foreign policy, who agrees in many ways with what he's saying........would I just keep forever whining on about 'Crusaders' and 'they're coming to get me'? No, I think I'd be trying to keep some sort of discussion going, I'd be trying to gain some sort of credibility for my own opinions, I'd CERTAINLY be keeping my mouth shut about leering at women, I'd be thinking twice about upholding some extremist, fanatic Christians up as some sort of example of what's the very BEST of Christianity......in other words, I'd be trying VERY hard NOT to draw attention to the worst aspects of my religion (only of course, in the world according to SeaBird, whipping women for showing their ankles is a GREAT idea) :evil:

not finished yet.........

[moll]

KayCee.........it's probably a good idea NOT to look at the Politics/Religion bit :? but I actually DO want to discuss things like that sometimes, not just sing songs from musicals :oops:

The problem is, when I look there, and I see that often SB is the only person posting there, and nobody's replying (can't think why :roll: )....it just BUGS me to think that it looks like nobody's got a word to say in disagreement, that this makes him think he's got a platform for his views, that he's got some sort of right to appoint himself as a spokesperson....

I know you're right, I should probably just ignore him, just as I ignore the nutter who stands in Buchanan Street in Glasgow every Saturday shouting about Christianity and what led him to God.........everybody else does :wink:

[saffron]

I just think Seabird or SS, or whatever his name is, he is just a nut. Actually, I'd rather say, he is a nutcake.

I don't read his posts either, haven't got the time.



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[Hoss]

[quote="moll"] Hoss wrote:

I think that's what REALLY does my head in.........he posts like there's no question he's right, like he's got some sort of special inside knowledge the rest of us haven't got, only we're all too bloody stupid to see it, and trying to discuss anything with him just results in more pathetic paranoia......

Moll,
All what he says are hypothesis based on what's written in Egyptian newspapers and even books! Whoever wrote it had good reasons, and they are just alerting the people and decision makers. It doesn't mean that Egypt will be invaded tomorrow...It just an expression of worry from watching what's happening around us...It is just that whoever disagrees or upsets the US, and who has not enough power to protect themselves( militarily or economically), they can be either boycotted, bombed or invaded...examples are needless to mention...SB's expression of it, is that it will happen sooner or later...I disagree with that, unless we are heading back to the colonization era once more...I don't foresee that dark period coming back again...At the end it's all in God's knowledge.



I'd CERTAINLY be keeping my mouth shut about leering at women


I guess i need to restate my opinion about it once more...I don't think it is appropriate to tell those kind of stories in public, in this forum...Especially that several of the members here have complained about it...As I mentioned in my previous post, Alisa has complained about it and about direct harassment issued by SB towards her...I remember reading that complaint to YE parliament and other complaints too. What I want to say is that it was up to the parliament, as per Ray, to consider this, and I guess that nothing conclusive was decided about it, which leaves the subject open, or probably closed with no decisions. If this matter is bothering you too, then it's up to you and the YE parliament to decide on it.

[moll]

Hoss, I will make one more attempt to explain why SeaBird's posts bother me so much, then I'll shut up before I turn into a raving nutter as well :shock:

I managed to go along with what he was saying for a while, I understood that the US is perceived as a threat, I understood the concern that he feels, I understood his hatred for GWB, I understood his contempt for certain aspects of western life, I even understood that as a man, he likes looking at women although fortunately leering at women isn't something I have to put up with from my own husband, western though he is :roll:

I managed to control myself with his never ending references to NeoCons, his never ending generalisations, his wandering down memory lane and his apparent assumption that the US 30 years ago has any relevance to the US of today, his never ending cut'n'pastes, like he thinks if it's there in black and white in whatever HE chooses to read, it must be true......

I managed to control myself when he went through his never ending AbuGhraib pics, and his constant denunciation of the use of torture, completely ignoring the fact that torture is routinely used in his own country....

I shut up and kept my mouth shut without expressing my contempt for the fact that not only is HE leering at women, but he's encouraging his young nephew to do so as well....

I kept my mouth shut when he runs down the youth of his own country for sitting around in malls enjoying themselves (presumably he thinks they don't deserve to enjoy themselves and they should be spending their time plotting against the west) as he simultaneously boasts about how they're going to run the 'Crusaders' off if (sorry, I mean when) Egypt, the long term US objective in SeaBird's world, is attacked...

But the post about 'the Taliban is the spirit of Islam' was just the last straw for me personally........the utter hypocrisy of that statement made me sick. If I came on here and made an equally idiotic statement, like GWB and the US government are the Spirit of Christianity....wouldn't there be few people here taking exception to THAT? Wouldn't there be a few people saying WAIT a minute, I can't just let that one go without making some sort of response?

Every post he has made for weeks now has referred to the NeoCons, like it's a new word he's learned and he just wants to keep showing off that he knows what it means.......HE'S the one who's actually building up their profile, bet they'd be pretty pleased if they knew how much publicity he's giving them :roll: only now we have a new favourite word of the month, Crusaders, and he'll use that one for the next 500 posts

SO........although I worked out what a total hypocrite SeaBird is a long time ago, I thought he was pretty harmless..

But what DOES bother me is, he's making me start to do things like opening newspapers or turning on the TV, seeing reports about anti-Muslim rallies, reading all the reasons why SOME people in the west think Muslims ARE a threat to world peace and that threat has to be taken seriously..........and I'm actually starting to think, maybe they've got a point, maybe it's NOT all just propaganda, just look at how full of hate towards the west SB is, how he dreams and obsesses about it and nobody bothers arguing with him that there's any other way for a Muslim to feel, maybe all the positive views of Islam that I had are all just so much wishful thinking..... maybe SB IS expressing the way most Muslims feel.

I know that's actually not true, but when his is the only voice I'm hearing here, and it's coming from such a total hypocrite, it's hard NOT to start asking yourself questions about what Islam really DOES mean to the silent majority........and that's basically what REALLY bothers me about him. It bothers me that I'm even starting to ask myself those questions, it bothers me that at this moment I actually couldn't care less if I never set foot in Egypt again (a country that I was so in love with, I never wanted to go anywhere else on holiday again) bcs anti-western hate on this (and other boards) has made me feel unwelcome as a westerner on Egyptian soil, THAT is why his posts make me so angry....bcs he's actually changing ME personally and my attitudes, and not for the better.

[KayCee]

Sweet Moll,

You might not remember but for a time he never Knew I was from America. In fact there are many here that dont. hahaha on him!

Moreover, I have tried a number of time to crack through him. Make him understand there is another way of seeing things. A waste of my precious time.

Yes, I too like to have intelluctual discussions (Even if I cant spell worth a damn! ) However If I chose to enter there I simply skip his sillyness, and try to discuss the subject at hand.

You know that your presents here at YE is a gr8 contribution, I would hate to see you go on account of one, very closed minded uneducated individual.

(The above view is souly my own, KayCee OF the USA aka a neocon lmao!)

PS someone PLEASE explain to me what the hell he means by that anyhow? Neocon? I still dont get it!

Pss... anyone whishing to have an *Excape from the neocon* pass (Kind of like a get out of jail free card) Please let me know & Ill have one sent along to you straight away! :D (sorry I could not help myself) :lol:

[Ricky]

Moll, You are very very right!

[Ricky]

Moll, there is this a member Max. He brings a fresh perspective as an antidote of the characters of anguish. Not to mention you are not alone in your views. You are really not alone. I totally agree with you.