Your Egypt

[RussianGirl]

HI THERE!
I AM RUSSIAN, I AM 23.
I wanna share my situation and feelings with you……
Though I don’t know Egyptian language……..i love the ppl who live there in Egypt with all my heart, I love your country, though some of the Egyptians hate it, I love the ppl, I love the music and the atmosphere itself, everything about …….

My situation is as follows: once I found one guy in the Internet, he is from Egypt…….we had been emailing each other for a year, …………there were some ups and downs in our relations of course, but within all this time we understood that we are so close, we came through so many complicated things, but we fight and believed………….
He has an American dream and at that moment was in the US on his studies………he was not a success with his visa, immigration, green card and so on, and we both knew that his chances to win America were very very lowL((((((
Our love was very pure and strong, we emailed each other every every single day….and all the time we had a lot to tell to each other ……………when he was in the US he telephoned me very frequently …
we had too much in common, we found no difference between us and it really looked as if we found each other and it is in the legend about significant other part who is somewhere far and difficult to find………… ONE SINGLE UNIT, very often I said the same thing he wanted to say and vice verse…………..
time were going on………..and it was a quite time for us to see each other………..my friends here didn’t believe in the Internet love and said that nothing would come of us, we won’t like each other (he or me) while our meeting…….i heard a lot about it, but I was sure!!!!!!!!!!! I felt even if I won’t like his appearance I know how close he is to my heart………….we had too much in common, even our moms has one and the same names, we had one and the same day hiolidays, he was glad my name is a well known in Egypt and his aunts name is like mine too……..
As for me, to tell it by the words ppl talk about me are: I am rather, beautiful, cute, pretty, I have a brown hair, brown large eyes, white skin, beautiful body, and as my EGYPTION HERO told, all his relatives said to him when they saw my pictures: Oh, she looks like Egyptian and were very glad………(and when I was in Egypt once I also heard on the streets that I am like Egyptian actress),
But the story is not about me of course……….
I was ready to give up everything ……… and when I knew that he was to be back to Egypt from the US due to some reasons, the terms of the visa and so on…………but he could not come here to my own country, coz of the terms of the visa too………..I gave up everything here, my work, I found the ways out……. I found money for the trip and went there to Egypt…………it was not easy too……but I arranged everything myself……It is too far from my country……….
i reserved the hotel, a double room………..when we came there we faced lots of difficulties in the hotel………..as for the rules of the country we couldn’t stay in one room, coz I am a foreigner and we are not married…………… here again we found a way out…………..we were to stay in two separate rooms…………
we spent 10 best days in our life……………he was my first man, I had none before (he was very happy, again saying that the way a brought up is too close to Egypt)………..we were too much happy, planning our future life………everything was great……….we felt that we are so alike……..his parents wished we would be happy, I brought lots of presents for his mom, Russian plated and dishes, souvenirs, icon and many many others…….

then he came back to the US again and he found out that there was no progress with his green card and so on, when after some time of believe and hope, we found out that there is no happy end for us, he may be staying waiting for his green card for years there and I will be staying alone here……………and there is no a definite answer where the end is, and what kind of end it is………..how hard it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I would know for sure if it ends in a year or two………..i would be waiting………I need it to be clear……but in our situation, there is no deadline……..we still love each other, but as he says he cannot make me waiting, no matter how hard it is for him, coz he cannot give me an answer were is the end………..i understand him very well, but cannot help him
I have a reason why I cannot wait for long…………….i had a surgery two years ago and after it I am to become pregnant ASAP………….and for it I am to get married……….i don’t know what to do……….here comes the question about having children or not and it is very important for me and life……..all the time doctors say me again and again: get married! Do you wanna have ………..but how can I? In such a situation ………… when I came back from Egypt I thought I became, coz I had strange feelings, and the most is I wanted to hear Arabic music all the time, I bought all the CDs in the town, here they are hard to get……..and I wanted to cry all the time while listening…….but I was mistaken……….

and I wanna say, ………..don’t think what nationality you are, what religion you are……………just be a person and treat all others as persons, try to love pll and you will see that ppl love you too, believe, love and be loved!!!!!!!!!!

[Sandra]

hey, dear... it was really strange 4 me 2 see that nobody had answered yet... maybe some people consider ur posting 2 be a bit rhetorical... still, i cant but say what impression ur story made on me... it definately touched my heart very much... thank u 4 ur frankness & open heart... i wish u well, indeed... hope all the troubles will just harden u, the only thing i'm asking u 4 is not to despair... remember that a russian woman can enter a burning izba & stop a running horse;-)
my story has some common features with yours... but its more average... i love a guy too... he's half Egyptian half American... we met a few months ago... our meeting was veeeryyyy strange... & i still have no idea why all this happened to me if there is no chance 4 us 2 be 2gether... i'm orthodox & better than somebody else aware of all troubles that i will be surely involved in if i dont put an end to that... BUT... such thing has never happened 2 me b4...& its surely the best one... i'm afraid that if i lose this gift i will never be happy again... thats why, i suppose, i'm still holding out... i couldnt even imagine that all my former "wise & rational" views of life would be spoiled by this forbidden love... i dont know what 2 do... i dont know who can help me... maybe this person is just myself... i dont trust people but i try 2 trust him... frankly speaking, i dont always manage 2... the only thing i know 4 100% is that love isnt given 2 us in vain... if this is a way 2 disappoitment i will never 4get the lesson but my life is 2 turn 2 be hell like...
wish u lots of happiness, dear... hope 2 hear from u informing u r ok & all ur problems r settled...

[fridaies]

Sandra, Your story touched me because i can identify with the problem. I donot know how serious your problem is, is the guy muslim or chrisitan from another sect..of course there is a difference in the handling of the situation. Your location is important too. Living in Egypt usually restricts our social activities and frankly speaking our thinking! if u r religious, then think about what your religion told u and not about tradition..Take whatever decision that u feel that your conscience will agree to even after the spark of love is gone..Ask yourself if he is a good person apart from the religion part...and another thing is your age and your experience..have u ever been in love before..can u tell where exactly do u stand ??keep me posted please!

[Guest]

hey, fridaies...thanks 4 the reply... i was really pleased 2 read it...

nobody knows yet how serious the problem is....cuz i have never asked him about his denomination, but it was clear 2 me that religion isn't a matter of great importance 4 him...he was brought up in the USA & lives there now, comin' 2 Egypt 2 spend his vocations...but his father is egyptian who married an american women - his mother...

our orthodox church doesn't approve of havin' any relations with a foreigner from other confessions...i know that & i could never imagine that something of that kind may happen 2 me... i used 2 be so reasonable, u know!) & now the world seems 2 have changed...but strict rules of my denomination haven't... that's the point...

i'm 19...stidin' at university & livin' in Moscow...i don't know whether i loved before or it was just likeness...but i know 4 sure that i have never felt like this - he is the best man i have ever met...BUT...still i cant have any serious relationships with him unless we are married....& we cant marry - its a circle....i'm not sure that he will accept this easily...that's why i'm just waitin' 4 the july when we meet again & can clear the situation 2 each other...it's gonna be either the continuation or the end of the story...

that's how things stand now...hope 2 hear from u soon...take care

[Guest]

it was me...just usin' a public pc...thats why didnt log in - sorry)))
Sandra.

[Katrina]

Anonymous wrote:
our orthodox church doesn't approve of havin' any relations with a foreigner from other confessions...i know that & i could never imagine that something of that kind may happen 2 me... i used 2 be so reasonable, u know!) & now the world seems 2 have changed...but strict rules of my denomination haven't... that's the point...


Come on girl. Screw them. You will let the church dictate your happiness and Father Alexi (FORMER KGB) and such tell you whom to marry and not to marry?

Will we ever know the true God's word? All we hear are interpretations. The non-foreigner thing is a made up rule

I think there could be other issues to consider than the approval of the church, which are more important. Sort them out first. One problem is you are only 19. Way to early to get married so young at this day and age, even if the Orthodox Church is perfectly fine with your choice.

[Sandra]

oh, dear! i'm not goim' 2 marry!!!!))))))))))) i have 3 more years at university and he is studin' too)))

& 4 the church thing... i cant agree with u, sorry... everybody chooses their own way of treatin' church rules... my choice has already been done & there is nothing 2 discuss... i'm not goin' 2 blame anybody - its my own life & its me who is 2 decide what's more important... & i also know that there r too many people who may consider me 2 be silly, its up 2 them also))

[Sandra]

thanks, dear Katrina, ur name is also greek by origin like mine))) & its very nice either)) i decided 2 express my opinion on ur post about chechen problem here, sorry 4 offtopic, guys))

there i agree with u completely, in spite of the fact i decided not 2 post on this subject myself... i think, western mass media have done everything 2 form people's wrong opinion, & now all foreigners (both muslims & others) have a mistaken view of the situation... i used 2 be sure it's no use trying 2 made them change their minds & didnt blame some of them 4 their wrong views... but u dared at least try 2 & i really appreciate & respect ur courage 2 say all that in public...

hope we will have chance of discussin' everything in the very near future, keep on postin', take care)

[Monica]

TO ALL...A positive note from the heart :smt055

After reading this thread and others, I came up to a conclusion in regards with beautiful love stories, and difficulties that are beyond control.

Wether it is a matter of visa or a matter of religion or a matter of tough various circumstances, like children, and/ or all sorts of responsibilities that keep you away from loved ones..it boils down to a simple thing: believing in your love/partner IF and only IF you are on the same wave length 100%, that is..trust is a must.. and the principle element here, and patience will follow naturally..

Things change, like the seasons... and there is a limit to the very bad the very good and the very ugly...you never know really what surprise tomorrow will bring........

So for example... in a case of religious diferences, maybe
one of the two will decide to convert, in case of a visa situation maybe one of the two will decide to move regardless of sacrifices to be made; in a case of children that can't be left behind, maybe within time the ex partner, could take care of the child for a while until the one leaving settles ...in case of work circumstances or even studies, they do come to an end at one point, and work circumstances can change...in case of lack of funds for tickets working at saving, or working double time could end up being fruitful...

In case of parents refusing a partner, maybe the other partner will decide to go ahead without the parent permission/blessing and later on be forgiven and all sorts of wonderfully positive things can happen...
It is a matter of time...................

If nothing of all the above happens within at least 6 months to a year time... then you might be enlightened by something or other ...for better for worse who knows...keep hoping, keep smiling keep loving, keep believing it will be resolved, if and only if you trust your loved one 100%


And remember it takes genuine love and full support to make life better for the other...I wish you have it, and urge you to give it........

Wishing you patience, love and trust and of course a splendid evening!!!. Insha Allah
:smt024

[Sandra]

hey there)

have only 5 minutes break 2 post & then go on studin' hard 4 the finals)))

dear Katrina, i have already told u that it would be great pleasure 4 me 2 discuss everything with u)))))))))

dear Monica, THANK U 4 THIS WONDERFUL POSTIN'!!!!! it was just what i wanted 2 hear 4 so long, i really appreciate it... my greatest problem is an awful lack of patience & trust.... sometimes it seems 2 me that i can spoil everything one day if i dont learn 2 trust... HOPE(Nadezhda)...FAITH(Vera)...LOVE(Lyubov')... are the names of 3 Saints revered much in our country & all orthodox countries too... we celebrate their day... they were 3 sisters & had a mother (saint too) called Sofiya (means wisdom)... i think love, faith, hope & wisdom 2gether can make anybody happy so i wish i could gain them... maybe i's gonna happen one day... ur posting at least has given back my hope... it's the beginning i guess) thank u once again...

take care & good luck (its also useful sometimes)))))

[Katrina]

As far as my previous comment on seeking vs not seeking the aprroval of a religious institution, I was not advocating conversion to/from christianity or Islam or vice versa. The point was the non-foreigner thing could be a made up RULE by the official church rather than the true word of God and will for a couple. Many rules have been developed historically and often times have political flavor rather than any revelation of God's will.

Religion is a very broad term which inlcudes faith and belief per se, subject debated by religious scholars and philosophers, weapon in political and economical conquests and wars throughout history of the humankind, rules, rituals, and traditions rooted in historical trends and set up by relgious institutions, social interpretations based on historical development of concrete nations, our own interpretations based on life experiences, education level, cognitive ability, mentality, emotional make up shaped by upbrigning and society we live in.

Actually I would like to see an explanation from the Russian Orthodox Church as to why they impose such a rule with a Biblical citation. I bet they will have easier time (relatively speaking) contesting my hypothesis here for a Jew/Christian union or a muslim/christian situation or buddist/christian mix up...But then I will throw this bone: how about Christian from a foreign country: Germany or Great Britain or ...Italy? oops, but Father Alexi does not like the Pope of Rome. Russian Patriarchs never liked Popes of Rome... The biggest hiccup would be how about a Ukranian Christian and Russian Christian as Russia and Ukraine are not one country any more...? I bet a reverant Father will say: "ohaha, most of them are....those Catholics..." no, not in a such profane manner but in a very theologically eloquent style in a soothing voice that would put you to sleep faster than a sleeping pill to roll in a sweet lulaby but the underlying agenda would be just that! Same with Sheiks, same with whatever... True raporters of God, beholders of the seed of wisdom....Oh, and the final slap which in the past would earn me burning in flames for being a heritic :lol: :roll: yet now a Father would say "Oh, it is ok to question, my child, bless you, but as you roam the field of self-proclamation and denial, you will come back to the same truth we all have already found" is that I would dare to question the credibility of the source of any religious scripture christian, muslim, and islamic alike. Without naming names, one document of the word of God was written down 150 years hence after its revelation with a word mouth type of distribution...oh, well we all played broken phone and musical chairs games in our childhood, did not we? The other was heard by a man whose condition during these hearings would be diagnozed by modern doctors as epilepcy... same goes to some who revealed further truths during the next 150 years...and yes, some tried to pull the same thing here in America by saying they hear God's voices too and found some golden platters sent by God, where are the golden platters, nobody knows... :lol: (this is my reference to Mormon Church based majorly in Utah. Mormon Church does not allow cross marriages even to their fellow Americans unless you are a mormon like them!! :lol: ) Thanks a lot

Jews marrying Jews only, muslims/muslims, Christians/Christians....

I tell you at least two reasons why there is such a rule. One reason is general, apply to anything. The other one is more country specific, i.e. for Russia.

#1 has a universal explanation. Every social unit likes to keep their numbers high based on the survivorship theory.

Tribe A wants to be larger than tribe B to survive. Catholic Church wants increased membership, so does Greek, so does Russian Orthodox, etc,etc. Company A wants to sell more than company B to survive competition. Ok, this is a Darwanistic view, yet does not have to be considered atheistic at all . Company A is not saved by God over company B, but simply company A will survive over B if the former views competition as a dynamic interaction of competing elements rather than static paradigm with offence being the best defence and thus company A has a proactive strategy in place recognizing its necessity to survive in the long run. Otherwise, it will go bankrupt (reorg or/and potential future liquidation). Better cases will incude strategic or/and financial merger/acquisition

#2 Russia has been historically xenophobic. And we know famous Peter the Great cutting beards of all the xenophobic boyars himself pushing them toward westernization as well as the entire country. Russia has been isolated georgraphically for many centuries and later politically. Peter was cutting that window into Europe literally with his scissors and axe. I bet the Church used elements that resonated with people's mindset and carved into rules. So I see this non-foreigner thing as a made up rule historically explained

Anyway, it is just me wanting to debate in general. No offence to any religion . it is just me having always a hard time buying any rules of anything. Also I am not a believer of FATALISM and PREDESTINATION, which in my opinion does not contradict the idea of existence of God interpreted by either Christiniaty or Islam or any other relgion for that matter. oh, and my final P.S. I do believe in God, but not in interpretations. :wink: Today I have a very rebelious outlook to everything hihihi :lol:

Note: Using “scissors” is not only a physical transformation of boyars’ looks but also a symbol of elimination of their mental backwardness, xenophobia, and introduction of modernization and openness in political, economical, and social thought in Russia. Using “ an axe” to “open the window to Europe” is a symbol of modernization of Russia and its entrance into the western civilization which required actual hard work with bare hands (including those of the tsar Peter himself) in building the Russian Fleet that defeated the Swedes in the conquest of the Baltic Sea, building Academies that educated both nobles and peasants, developing international trade with East and West, and creating a magnificent manifestation of Peter’s dream and thirst for progress - his own city, St. Petersburg loved and awed by both foreigners and Russians alike now and then. The city’s architectural marvels and beauty survived the brutal turns in history earning the admiration as a “Northern Paris” or/and “Northern Venice” as Peter dreamt it to be. Many believe it is more beautiful than Paris (based on independent foreign opinions)

Anyway, you got everything out of me tonight :lol: sorry for the "invasion" of the Egypt-oriented board with the irrelevant digression from the subject matter :lol:

[Monica]

katrina............ I will have to read this again...deel stuff girl!!!
Back later...

[Katrina]

Monica wrote: TO ALL...A positive note from the heart :smt055

After reading this thread and others, I came up to a conclusion in regards with beautiful love stories, and difficulties that are beyond control.

Wether it is a matter of visa or a matter of religion or a matter of tough various circumstances, like children, and/ or all sorts of responsibilities that keep you away from loved ones..it boils down to a simple thing: believing in your love/partner IF and only IF you are on the same wave length 100%, that is..trust is a must.. and the principle element here, and patience will follow naturally..

Things change, like the seasons... and there is a limit to the very bad the very good and the very ugly...you never know really what surprise tomorrow will bring........

So for example... in a case of religious diferences, maybe
one of the two will decide to convert, in case of a visa situation maybe one of the two will decide to move regardless of sacrifices to be made; in a case of children that can't be left behind, maybe within time the ex partner, could take care of the child for a while until the one leaving settles ...in case of work circumstances or even studies, they do come to an end at one point, and work circumstances can change...in case of lack of funds for tickets working at saving, or working double time could end up being fruitful...

In case of parents refusing a partner, maybe the other partner will decide to go ahead without the parent permission/blessing and later on be forgiven and all sorts of wonderfully positive things can happen...
It is a matter of time...................

If nothing of all the above happens within at least 6 months to a year time... then you might be enlightened by something or other ...for better for worse who knows...keep hoping, keep smiling keep loving, keep believing it will be resolved, if and only if you trust your loved one 100%


And remember it takes genuine love and full support to make life better for the other...I wish you have it, and urge you to give it........

Wishing you patience, love and trust and of course a splendid evening!!!. Insha Allah
:smt024

Monica, this is a beautiful piece to console and revive the spirit of suffering souls and broken hearts stricken by disbelief, despair, and lack of hope for a happy end, exhausted by a long and never-ending journey to nowhere, lost in a mirrage of an elusive dream, awaken in the harsh reality and tormented by an empty sound of the voice and joy from the past, and unable to smell the flowers that blossom everywhere they walk, yet unable to see. Your ability to feel for people is more than admired and appreciated. So sweet and humane

[Katrina]

Monica wrote: katrina............ I will have to read this again...deel stuff girl!!!
Back later...

Did I load you? :lol: :lol: :o

[Marky]

Hi RussianGirl,

Wow your story is beautiful and it's so much similar to my own (at least in the beginning parts) that it made my hair stand on end. :o Especially the part about being one Unit (Yin/Yang) 8)

Monica is so right, trust is very important!!! and el7amdulelah my story has had a happy ending (for me it's the beginning of the next chapter :D )

May God be with you both!
Marky