Your Egypt

[RoughShod]

I found Saffron's experiment a very valid one to try and achieve.(that we all just get along together without turning neanderthal)

Yet here we sit tonight looking at flamed out attempts to try to just be normal caring human beings.

I personally am not willing to accept this state of affairs. I hope none of you are able to accept this as normal.

I often have to do damage control because in the long run I have a sense of decency that is revolted by some of the things I do publicly.

Why don't we all realize that we are capable of being stupid at times, but band together as a unit to respect each other and respect admonition that we are being stupid, for the sake of the greater wholeness...so that we can interact better with a goal in mind. The goal being to upbuild our strengths in this community, and get rid of the weaknesses.


The weaknesses unfortunately may not be easy to get rid of. For instance I drink too much and say silly things, but...and this is a big butt( according to Queen big butts making the rocking world go round)..maybe it is time to realize we are always going to upset others, but...isn't it possible that we here on YE can learn to forgive and forget?


Is it possible that instead of picking on anothers weakness, we show kindness of heart to perhaps help that individual to become stronger?


As it is said in the bible, He who wishes to be forgiven of the sin he has committed, should likewise be prepared to forgive the transgressions of others against him(her)..person

well, no doubt my views will be seen in a jeering mode by some, but the principle is sound

[moll]

RoughShod wrote:

I personally am not willing to accept this state of affairs. I hope none of you are able to accept this as normal.
well, no doubt my views will be seen in a jeering mode by some, but the principle is sound

I'm not willing to accept it either, Roughshod. I'm not willing to spend time in my life posting on a board where grudges are held forever, where attempts to communicate are taken as ammunition for ridicule.

This is for you: although half the time I don't really understand what you're on about and I have to read it a few times to get the gist of it, I appreciate that you are making a sincere attempt to communicate how you feel as a human being and often I think you have interesting points of view that make me ask myself questions about what I think.

This is for ratty: I think I'd probably like you a lot if I met you in person, but endless smilies DON'T make me think...........if you've got something to say, say it, smilies just don't do it for me any more.

This is for saffron: we've had our battles in the past, and I DON'T bear grudges, people change and I'm willing to accept that people learn from their mistakes, it's what life's about...........just as I've learned from my mistakes in real life and on the internet. But if you're going back into attack mode, count me out, life's too bloody short for petty internet squabbles.

[RoughShod]

Well Moll, perhaps the point is taken then.(I will not knock on wood or throw salt over my shoulder) I may just break the mirror of our follies from time past and hope the follies get 7 years of bad luck and not us :D

[moll]

Well, I know I've got plenty of my own follies :cry: doesn't mean I have to keep repeating them, though...

I edited what I posted last night in the other topic, it was a bit mean and aggressive :oops: but honestly, I just feel like I can't be bothered any more with all this crap.

There's only a few of us left here, it's not like there's hundreds of people here and a grudge gets lost in amongst all the topics about other things, it's like it's in your face the whole bloody time because it's all there is...

[RoughShod]

Scale of economics Moll is what you reffering to in emotional terms.a small company starts a prototype product at budget breaking limits just to stay afloat. then a breackthrough happens and a usefull product is yielded. and marketing and sheer luck brings this product to the attention of the world and the wheels of commerce churn and grind into motion . The product is still exspensive because of all the capital layout to bring into full scale production...and there are buyers willing to pay the price in the interim, because they believe in the product. They the true voyeurs of faith. They the ones that should be honoured as the people that allow new products of decent value to happen...they in fact should be rewarded monetarily for that.

Anyway, my point is this Moll....If you are somebody special, then stay that way no matter how others may try to dissuade you of your belief. If you feel others think you are boring ...only believe it so if you trying to be what they think you are.

If they think you are exciting, distrust them as if they are trying to make you leave your path to follow their boring one.

Moll, we are all such individuals coloured by the insights of others. But we are fortunately in control of who we are (most times).

It would be nice to mingle around a lot of different people and have our own personality averaged out by a large amount of diversified
replies.

The truth is, those diversified replies have evolutionized to just us.

Ja...can you believe it . a speck on God's earth...we in the same situation so many others are. without power to be what we we like to be, without power to punish those that we feell need to be . we try to join a movement to attempt to regain power


we allow ourselves foolishly to allow others to dictate to us what we should be doing


whether wrong or right, we follow the bloodlust of our hearts to follow what will allow us our true heritage (in our self fullfilled expectation of our mind)

except...there is no self fullfilled expectation that will allow planet earth to survive in peace amongst her nations


Simply put Mol, we all too selfish to give a f **k about any body else. the killing won't stop

[moll]

Covered quite a few topics there, Roughshod........... :smt003

Business, evolution, conservation, bloodlust :shock: war and peace, bit of religion thrown in too....

Anyway

I'm an individual, just like everybody else is an individual with their own personalities and insecurities and everything else....but we're all just specks in the universe trying to make some sort of sense of it all and that's bloody difficult sometimes (I must stop swearing, I don't do it in real life (much :oops: ) dunno why I keep doing it here..

But as somebody said, I think it might have been John Donne but I'm not sure........... no man is an island. And as Barbra Streisand sang, I think it was her anyway but I could be wrong, People who need people :smt035 are the luckiest peeeooople in the world :smt034 so I must be really lucky because I need people 8)

Flippin' heck, this is turning out as incomprehensible as yours....

And as the Scottish poet Robert Burns said, Oh wad some power the giftie gie us, to see ourselves as ithers see us (Hedgehog will recognise that one) but I will stop now, that's enough crap for one evening :oops:

[saffron]

moll wrote:

This is for saffron: we've had our battles in the past, and I DON'T bear grudges, people change and I'm willing to accept that people learn from their mistakes, it's what life's about...........just as I've learned from my mistakes in real life and on the internet.
Okay.
Quote: But if you're going back into attack mode, count me out, life's too bloody short for petty internet squabbles.
What? Who? When?

[moll]

saffron wrote:
What? Who? When?

Well OK, you haven't had a go at me recently (although I don't rule that out completely in the future)

But you and ratty were having a go at Roughshod, he was having a go back at you, ratty was niggling Ricky in the Russia topic, and I just find myself a bit stuck in the middle of it all :( so then I get fed up and I just have a general go at everybody 8)

It all just seems a bit pointless sometimes..

[RoughShod]

Moll, was meaning to say when a product starts off, everybody is in its face because it is more closely scrutinized...defects are under the spot light...when it gains acceptance and finally is bought by millions(the price of that product then comes down) weakneses are hardly seen and the 'brand name' is accepted that its strengths and weaknesses are part of an acceptable package(coupled to the price to produce it)..We inYE (brand name) are paying the price(new unknown product...the product being to actually live not virtually but in realtime) to help people understand that something honest can happen and that lives can be affected as though our words are real life visions of who we really are. In real life you mentioned being able to read body language, tonal inflections eye movement etc.... This is what is new in typing reality now, to voluntarily be able to allow these signals to be transmitted by speech as though we are all blind physically. Now we all do this quite easily when angry and dissappointed. Just that we trying to do the same thing when we feel ok and comfortable...and be able to handle it when misunderstood.

That is more or less what I wanted to say and almost went off on another tangent again because what I said now really looks silly to me.

It is difficult enough to do with someone close to oneself in real life. how does one manage it with others one does not know and has to place ones trust in? I have done that at risk of severe burn. And strangely enough, I have improved from the experiance. It seems we all have inherent good that needs to be strengthened by the inherent good of other people.

And the more people there are that just out of common decency are willing to recognize the good in others, the more the concept that we weak and barbaric will diminish, while the hope of who we really are becomes greater and greater, and attracts more people who wish to break the chains of their negative self image .

Anyway..that was more or less what I meant by scale of (emotional) economics. it will be difficult to start, but if it catches, it will fuel and police itself(no moderators required)

[RoughShod]

Actually...In the process of monitoring and control...there is always a time lag, a hysteresis that needs special formula which I never seem to understand that tries to predict a 'sweet spot' that the process can be regulated by. I doubt there is a formula to reach a sweet spot on this forum that can be applied by purely emotional thinking. there will always be overshoot or under shoot and the necessary algorithm is not ever going to be logically followed.

So this is why I reckon...close ones eyes and forgive a shortfall...and open ones eyes and welcome abundance...and for the normal....just hope for abundance than just accept normal.

Now if anyone is into inane drivel, you have just got a full meal of it. but I like ittt..ta..oh yea.

[moll]

Roughshod, I hate to be negative :cry: but YE isn't what I'd call a 'new' product, in internet terms it's probably actually getting on a bit and it's quite an old product, and not doing very well in the market either :cry:

In fact, quite often I'm surprised it's still on the go at all, it wouldn't surprise me if one day it just disappeared for good.

I still wonder sometimes what's happened to raymon, whether he just disappeared because he got fed up with it and what he thinks about what's happened to his board...

I'm still naive enough to think that boards like this CAN have a positive effect, but only if people post and that's just not happening for whatever reason.

[RoughShod]

How about conscidering yourself a new product of hope on YE Moll, how about forgetting about who you think is no longer in charge...namely Raymon. How about conscidering your own need for YE to happen. come on Moll, this place should have died years ago, but ppl like you and me stilll make it happen.

And you know what ....we can make it die tonight. we just have to post no longer. we will watch small snatches of answers from self absorbed people..

Moll, can you stop speaking here for 3 days solid?