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RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

I was at a bar tonight..bet none of you knew that ;)...speaking to the bartender and his lady friend on odd occasion, and when I left I said to him...have a nice evening and to her ..keep well. They accepted my greeting but it sounded wrong to me.

Surely I was presumptious to tell them something. I should have said...hope you have a nice evening etc. It is not in theirs or my own hands to make things happen to plan, we can only hope for it to happen.

How do you wish well to others. Do you mention the wish word first...or just say as if it is rock evidence that what you say will happen?

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

OMG.............and I thought I overthinked things :lol: :lol:

Roughshod, STOP analysing, it does your head in after a while :P

We were on holiday in the US a few years ago (California to be exact) and all the 'have a nice days' and 'hey, how ARE you?' when we walked into a shop like they'd been waiting all their lives for us to walk in and buy a packet of biscuits or something :roll: started driving me crazy after a while, the insincerity of it......but better that than the complete indifference you get here in most places.

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Ja Moll, maybe like feeling obliged to bow when meeting or leaving somebody who has slanty eyes in an important meeting.

I reckon the red indian chiefs had learned a little english in their greeting to the white men who came to negotiate with them. They also were quite wise to mask their distrust by just saying 'How'...(and neglected to include the rest of the sentence)...the f u c k did we get into this situation?

We are all involved with interaction of some type or another with people we do not know...I would say it would never be deception to lie false wishes upon an unknown if the unknown held no other interest than our own safe passage through it as much as we would wish for them. but to use greetings to further business I would despise as insincere for sure.

By lie I mean perhaps a possible conflict of character but an attempt to make peace to move on.

But, sometimes one meets people...spend time, and all passes pleasantly. But I still think it should be 'I hope.....'

That way, if you do not like them...you can be the red indian...I hope(to them)you have a nice evening(to yourself)that that really fat ugly wife of yours leaves you for somebody uglier than you ;)

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

I think you may have me beat this time, Roughshod....

What difference does it make whether you say, I hope you have a nice day, or Have a nice day?

oh BTW, they're not red indians, they're Native Americans 8)

Hedgehog · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 5171 Location: UK

When I used to work...!!!! I spoke to a guy who always ended the conversation by saying....'have a sparkling day' :D

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1430 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

I think it is great when people wish you to have a nice day - that is the bottom line.

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1430 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

sparkling??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that is funny but nice as well

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

Hedgehog wrote: When I used to work...!!!! I spoke to a guy who always ended the conversation by saying....'have a sparkling day' :D

If somebody said that to me, I have to admit I'd be thinking, What a tosser :roll: but today somebody said to me 'Have a nice day' and I thought it was OK but only because we'd been chatting for a while and it seemed like a nice way to end the conversation...

(I was in PC World, I may boast about my techiness later 8) )

People here can be so rude (especially sales people who seem to think they're doing you a favour serving you) and I think Scottish people in particular can be pretty dour, we're programmed not to do anything that could be seen as smarmy :P

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

moll wrote:

(I was in PC World, I may boast about my techiness later 8) )

Really feeling quite nerdy at the moment

Somebody ask me what I did........

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Lip service may be a good way to provide a grey zone where everybody is safe on their own side of that zone provided nobody challenges that zone.

Well I am challenging it. Why did our black dj's get so many calls when Obama won over H Clinton?...(in SA)

Why is history seeming to be a big factor in the possible making.

I thought by now we had gotten over our 'prejudices' and so therefore history has already been made to the acceptance that we are different colours.

The fact of the matter is we say...'Have a nice evening' even though we do not always believe it. we use it as a tool to get out of situation without being nasty.

But the situation is not solved...we still isolated from a solution. We have just bought ourselves some time to avoid a conflict

If one were to be really honest...this matter not the same as when I was in a bar, and one looks at a party without trying to cover anything, could I perhaps say to Obama, you black, you seem to have the initiative, you have beaten a white female at the poles, what do you think of your skin colour?

If he said to me that at last his race has got recognition, I would really puke. If he said to me, what has colour got to do with it, I would say to him that millions of blacks around the world find it very significant. what would he have to say to them?.

If he said well, colour does not matter, culture does not matter...then I would suspect him of being a fraud.

if he said that our culture matters, though there are many upheld by all colour of skin, I would say he is on the right path

If he said that SA is a new apartheid run by blacks, I would vote him president anytime ;)

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

Excuse me, Roughshod

WHY didn't you ask me why I'm feeling nerdy?

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Mrs Mol, may I politely enquire what makes you feel so nervy, I mean nerdy....your 10 times magnification glasses?. your times 3 wondabra?

Ohno.... not that beeeeeeeeg head ;)...of your husband's ;)

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

RoughShod wrote: Lip service may be a good way to provide a grey zone where everybody is safe on their own side of that zone provided nobody challenges that zone.

Well I am challenging it. Why did our black dj's get so many calls when Obama won over H Clinton?...(in SA)

Why is history seeming to be a big factor in the possible making.

I thought by now we had gotten over our 'prejudices' and so therefore history has already been made to the acceptance that we are different colours.

The fact of the matter is we say...'Have a nice evening' even though we do not always believe it. we use it as a tool to get out of situation without being nasty.

But the situation is not solved...we still isolated from a solution. We have just bought ourselves some time to avoid a conflict

If one were to be really honest...this matter not the same as when I was in a bar, and one looks at a party without trying to cover anything, could I perhaps say to Obama, you black, you seem to have the initiative, you have beaten a white female at the poles, what do you think of your skin colour?

If he said to me that at last his race has got recognition, I would really puke. If he said to me, what has colour got to do with it, I would say to him that millions of blacks around the world find it very significant. what would he have to say to them?.

If he said well, colour does not matter, culture does not matter...then I would suspect him of being a fraud.

if he said that our culture matters, though there are many upheld by all colour of skin, I would say he is on the right path

If he said that SA is a new apartheid run by blacks, I would vote him president anytime ;)

I think your post is full of contradictions :?

One minute you're saying, 'I thought we'd overcome our prejudices'......(about colour, I assume) the next minute, you're saying that in SA it DOES matter.

I think colour DOES matter.........in a perfect world, it wouldn't and it shouldn't, but it still does. I've never been to SA but I'd imagine that there, the memories of apartheid will take a long, long time to resolve (on both sides) just like the memories of slavery in the US will never be forgotten, and I'm not denying the British element in that.

I think anyone who denies that colour is an issue is in denial, anyone who thinks that history is going be overcome in a generation is fooling themselves.

To me personally, the colour of someone's skin is irrelevant......but I understand that for someone of colour, it's not as easy as that, to just wipe out history and think they should forget the injustices.

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Well Moll, should I think colour a thing of of issue, perhaps you have a point, but should I think that I have an issue with people of a different culture trying to enforce my respect of who they are with their club of political power, I would just as soon take up the ak47 they fought me with and kill them before they could do it to me

The memories will take a long time to subside.

I may be willing to kill again if they do the same to me as they accussed me of doing to them.

you know nothing about this place Moll.

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

RoughShod wrote:

you know nothing about this place Moll.

That's true, I don't.

But if you read what I said, I said that colour IS an issue and anyone who thinks it isn't, is in denial.