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[saffron]

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[Ricky]

poppy wrote:

I neither judge you OR think that you do not, don't worry this is not what I said.

Love an Peace. 8)

Sure :D thank you

[Ricky]

saffron wrote: Ricky wrote:


I agree with you.

It is all the same all over the world. Some have to sugar coat it less or more depending on a particular society and its "political" progress.
I disagree. :roll: This is a broad and sweeping generality.

unfortunately, it is not. it is a political machine of mass manipulation everywhere. it is not a generalization, unfortunately.

[saffron]

Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote:


I agree with you.

It is all the same all over the world. Some have to sugar coat it less or more depending on a particular society and its "political" progress.
I disagree. :roll: This is a broad and sweeping generality.

unfortunately, it is not. it is a political machine of mass manipulation everywhere. it is not a generalization, unfortunately.
Quote: It is all the same all over the world.
This part is the generality. IT isn't the same everywhere.

[SeaBird]

moll wrote: I THINK I understand what you mean about the 'Pharoah mentality', SeaBird........ but if I'm wrong you can tell me ?

You got what I mean.
Yu can see the Pharoh's mentality even at an office working environment. The Boss is looked at as if a Pharoh.

When Europe was reshaped on the fall of USSR's jelly-like Empire, back in the early eighties, I wondered how that "Change" on the otherside of the Mideteranian pass un-noticed, unobserved by the Egyptians. We follow the European Cinema's Festivals, Sporting events (Soccer/Tennis), Fashion, etc
but politically reshaping Europe with emergent democracies jut passed by without any reflections on us here in the MidEast!!

I used to say to myself: Do we need a Hammer to fall on our heads to wake up and dig for Rights instead of escaping into digging for tombs of ancient Egyptians?!!!
But, I had never imagined that the Hammer will have to be in the form of a destructive/vicious Crusade done by the NeoCons on eitherside of the Atlantic in 2003.

I think that the NeoCons derived by their Evil attitude towards Islam unintentionally wasted the opportunity to have their Crusade as an awakening turning point for the populations of the MidEast.
Seeying the destruction of Iraq, grounding its infrastructure that generations had built, spoiled looking at the Western Democracy as a Savior from our suffering with less democratic regimes.
Instead most of the Mideastern populations look at the present American/British Crusade into our Lands as religously motivated to Defeat Islam in its heart lands.

I personally believe that the Crusade has 2 dimesions; not only one religous motivation, it has a strategic planning for a Global Control (Conquest of the Oil Resources) besides its religous hatred towards Islam. My proof of that religous dimension is the flood of christian missionaries that invaded Iraq after the defeat of the Iraqi Army to defend Iraq from the foreign invaders. Most if not all of these missionaries shortly left Iraq as the Resistance's fires scared them, and they evidently got the message.

[Ricky]

saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote:


I agree with you.

It is all the same all over the world. Some have to sugar coat it less or more depending on a particular society and its "political" progress.
I disagree. :roll: This is a broad and sweeping generality.

unfortunately, it is not. it is a political machine of mass manipulation everywhere. it is not a generalization, unfortunately.
Quote: It is all the same all over the world.
This part is the generality. IT isn't the same everywhere.

prove it

[Hedgehog]

Can someone explain why Obama has purple lips when on TV.....I always thought that was a sign of a *beep* heart...... :shock:

[Hedgehog]

OMG....I only wrote the word d-i-c-k-y and was beep'ed........gggrrrrrrrrrrrr :twisted:

[moll]

Hedgehog wrote: OMG....I only wrote the word d-i-c-k-y and was beep'ed........gggrrrrrrrrrrrr :twisted:

hehehe :lol: don't know if a d i c k y heart would be understood by everybody though....

Never really noticed the colour of his lips :oops:

SeaBird, with all due respect, isn't your obsession with the NeoCons as much a denial of Egypt's real problems as the guys in the coffee shops watching football?

Egypt's most urgent, most immediate problems are internal IMHO and have to be addressed first before there's going to be any change :cry:
(and again, I'm just basing my views on what we've seen and the people I know in Luxor, but I've been to Egypt nearly 30 times and most of them have been to spend time in our flat, which was WELL away from any expat community.......so I feel that I HAVE been able to observe ordinary, 'lower class' Egyptians...........I hate using that expression, but I know that 'class' is a big distinction in Egypt)

I mean problems like corruption on EVERY level, not just government level, police brutality, lack of importance placed on education if you're poor and need your children to help out making a living, the status of women (and I don't mean all women, I know there are plenty of independent women with careers......but there are also millions wasted at home because their fathers/husbands would rather keep them dependent), large families when it's a struggle just to feed a small family...

I don't think anything much is going to happen while there are so many problems inside Egypt itself. Just my opinion....

PS What's your source for 'the flood of Christian missionaries that invaded Iraq'?

[Ricky]

[quote="moll"] Hedgehog wrote:

Egypt's most urgent, most immediate problems are internal IMHO and have to be addressed first before there's going to be any change :cry:


isnt't it true! easy to blame some outside cause so it is easy to excuse yourself this way for not doing this or that! since a society is a collection of individuals (regardless if a society is individualistic vs collective in mentality), and and a solution for an issue/problem for an individual should be examining himself/herself first, it is a requirement for a society to solve its issues.

[Ricky]

SeaBird wrote:

Do we need a Hammer to fall on our heads to wake up and dig for Rights instead of escaping into digging for tombs of ancient Egyptians?!!!



:thumleft: well said. good analogy. the idea is true not just for Egypt, meaning does a society need to have something horrible before it wakes up?

otherwise, we ignore deep issues: In developed world, we piggyback on achievements of previous generations and exercise complacency; in developing world, we indulge in escapism into some faded glory which is a great achievement of our predecessors thousand years ago, we cannot claim as our own and incapable of repeating?

at least this is how i understand

[Ricky]

moll wrote: a denial of Egypt's real problems as the guys in the coffee shops watching football?


you would think, ha? I noticed that in general it is kind of a "southern mentality" (mediteranean, southern Europe, Balkans, middle east): typical sitting in a cafe talking politics while drinking coffee, smoking, complaining... about injustice in their own countries, about world politics, sports with NO ACTION. It is just talk and continuous complaining about this and that and indulgence in their or 'well roundness" about the world, local and world politics...instead of rolling up the sleeves and working, changing...like Chinese for instance do...

[saffron]

Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote:


I agree with you.

It is all the same all over the world. Some have to sugar coat it less or more depending on a particular society and its "political" progress.
I disagree. :roll: This is a broad and sweeping generality.

unfortunately, it is not. it is a political machine of mass manipulation everywhere. it is not a generalization, unfortunately.
Quote: It is all the same all over the world.
This part is the generality. IT isn't the same everywhere.

prove it
Prove what, that you speak in broad generalities? "everybody" "everywhere" "everyone", these terms are used to speak in sweeping generalities. If you've ever enrolled in and taken any Critical Thinking or Writing courses in college, you'd have learned about these fallacies. Any time I see or hear a person say these kinds of generalities I know that they are speaking in fallacies. You are trying to convince others that you know what you are talking about when you don't. [-X It isn't I who needs to 'prove it', it's you. :smt064

[Ricky]

saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Ricky wrote:


I agree with you.

It is all the same all over the world. Some have to sugar coat it less or more depending on a particular society and its "political" progress.
I disagree. :roll: This is a broad and sweeping generality.

unfortunately, it is not. it is a political machine of mass manipulation everywhere. it is not a generalization, unfortunately.
Quote: It is all the same all over the world.
This part is the generality. IT isn't the same everywhere.

prove it
Prove what, that you speak in broad generalities? "everybody" "everywhere" "everyone", these terms are used to speak in sweeping generalities. If you've ever enrolled in and taken any Critical Thinking or Writing courses in college, you'd have learned about these fallacies. Any time I see or hear a person say these kinds of generalities I know that they are speaking in fallacies. You are trying to convince others that you know what you are talking about when you don't. [-X It isn't I who needs to 'prove it', it's you. :smt064


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ricky never went to college :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ricky]

How do you know that ""I do not know what I am talking about"" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: