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RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Recursion occurs when a computor program calls upon an instance of itself to perform the same task it was doing, but for another instance of data.It then sits in the sidelines waiting for the task to be completed, though its spawn may call up its own recursions. It can get very complicated having to keep track of each spawned program busy calling itself to do yet another computation.

However, I was thinking of something I read in the bible. Do to others as you would have them do to you. And it struck me that if I had to abide by that, but although I tried , I was not always good to others, then I would have to forgive them for not being good to me. But by forgiving them, I was just letting myself off the hook and allowing myself to sin again to continue the cycle. Because I was allowing them to do to me as I was to them.

That allowing bit then stuck in my thought.All is fair in love and war the saying goes, but is it?

Who wants to recursively make the same mistake over and over again. who wants to rather break free from it, free up ones resources and channel ones energy where it counts.

If I allow my weakness to pardon somebody elses thoughtlessness against me, because I am thoughtless to, should that make it right?

Noooooooooooooooo

I should take responsibility of my thoughtlessness, and realize it is just so shallow...I have to take responsibility of my reaction to others, to reflect a non recursive nature to continue a non resource wasting exercize to rather make things happen in a non programmed....but enlightened way

Well, whatever...I think world war 3 will happen before that

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

:smt056

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

To answer that Moll would mean I would have to drop my defenses.It would mean I would have to believe in humanity. Conscidering the differences in humanity, my only comment is that I appreciatte your sentiments..

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

RoughShod wrote: To answer that Moll would mean I would have to drop my defenses.It would mean I would have to believe in humanity. Conscidering the differences in humanity, my only comment is that I appreciatte your sentiments..

Roughshod, if you don't believe in humanity, you might as well just shoot yourself.....bloody hard as it is to believe in humanity sometimes :cry:

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Moll, I do believe in humanity. I also believe in flaws, I also believe in weakness, I also believe in strength.

I also believe my strength is not dependant on the strength of others ( though I use their help) my strength is because I am a human being...and because I have male apperatus, unfortunately my female counterparts are disadvantaged to keep away from me. ja ja............just my self survival acting up here . lol

Oh please. come on Moll. You have to believe in yourself. come on pinch your skin...did you see it happen on tv?...did your husband cry out? no ways....but gues what you ,felt it, and it may have left your skin red

Moral of the story(hey, it always happens) If you hurt yourself, you certainly will feel it, but there is no guaranty anybody else will

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

Trying to understand what you're on about......

OK I don't :smt089 so I'll just ramble on anyway

I've often wondered if people's strengths aren't often their weaknesses too, if they're taken to extremes.....for example, people's ability to empathise with each other and feel pain for them, not physical pain but emotional pain..for instance, tonight watching the news, watching people in China literally crazy with grief knowing their children are buried under tons of rubble and possibly even still alive, I have sat here crying buckets.

But I know plenty of people who would have watched exactly the same thing, might have thought Oh that's terrible :cry: anyway, what's for dinner? and I was having a conversation with my daughter the other day after watching TV news about the cyclone in Burma, and she said that in her office, they can tell you every last thing that was said on some crap reality programme like Big Brother :roll: but ask them how they feel when they see people suffering like that (in REAL life) and they don't know, don't care...

I had a point when I started posting this, not sure what it was now :cry: I'll come back to it when I remember...

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Moll, when I hear about these catastrophe's it only recently that I have begun to understand the losses sustained and it seems so .....raw.....that I cannot grieve to it....I just feel shocked and go into survival mode. It will never happen to me...but those people are real, they have had to face a traumatic shock I try to imagine myself facing up to a relationship loss caused by an 'act of God'.

It is alright for the person gone...they no longer feel. but their legacy makes others influenced by them...........................blah blah Moll

I am tired of speaking as I do.

These catastrophes that happen are only relative to our own lives because we still alive to experiance them happening to others.

It has happened, nothing will change it. It has not affected me personally unless I fear the same thing happening to me.

So is it the fear aspect that will make me understand those involved...their predicament....to try to understand how I would handle such a disaster

Or would I know that I was not responsible for it, and that it happened, and that any grieving I do will not help those involved in those turbulent situations. The only thought left to me is what would I do if my family was wiped out in such a way.

But while I was writing this..it struck me I have helped others out not out of fear, but because they needed help. I did not grieve over their situation, all I did was use my resources to help them better their situation.

To grieve seems to me an infutile way to help. If I cannot help I just accept the situation as it is..if there is nothing I can do about it

I may grieve at my inability to make a difference...but as usual it always seems to be beating up myself...I really do not think that helps at all

So regarding these natural catastrophes, since I am not responsible for them, I just have to say, you are dealt cards and you have to play with what you have. Its just the way of life

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

I've often wished I could just sit here thinking, well there's **** all I can do about it, therefore I will not feel so badly for these people, my tears aren't going to make one bit of difference to them.

And on an intellectual level, I know that's true, I'm just depressing myself over something that's completely out of my control.

But to think, that if I were in their shoes, and nobody even cared.......and I could tie myself up in knots here, wondering if they even care that other people care, or if their suffering is too great........

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

But personally, I blame David McGhee when I was in Primary 4

He screwed my mind up, AND my sister's......

He showed us books and pictures of Japanese tortures in WW2 that freaked us out at 8 years old, and burst our bubble before we were ready to deal with man's inhumanity to man, and that's the truth.

Nearly 50 years later, my sister and I were talking about this not long ago and neither of us can forget it.

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Well imagine you in a similar crises situation Moll, where you are perhaps hurt, you have lost members of your family, you have no secure place to stay and all your prized possesions have been crushed under tons of rubble and perhaps it is wet and muddy and you cold and feeling hungry. Your clothes that you wear is all you have left of your wardrobe and they wet and dirty. Also the rain continues to drizzle down in an unexicting grey cold mist that seems to keep out the rays of the sun. It is going to be evening soon and it is going to get much colder. Your heart feels stunned and betrayed by the one you believe in because it seems the place that housed your hope in life is in fact your fearful heart.

Do you think to yourself, are others thinking about my plight and hoping to help me. Or perhaps do you think to yourself, why has this happened to me, have I deserved this. Or do you look through glazed eyes at a world you never thought possible and wonder if it is really happening. There must be a billion things that go through ones mind. But reality quite likely is the only thing to rely on.

If you believe in the same faith I do, I would look at such catastrophe far removed from it, and trust in my faith for answers....though my heart would be hurting badly and I perhaps would feel animosity towards God, I think that being stripped bare without security would quite likely ......hmmmm....I am not sure what I would do. I would like to say that I would be looked after by God.

To sit down in despair and do nothing perhaps comes to mind but the despair would become too great. I think I would help myself by helping out others where I could, help to share the burden of despondancy. And forget about what the future holds...just live for the moment.

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

I don't know HOW I would feel under those circumstances :(

But I know myself well enough to know that any faith I've got in God would be severely tested and probably wouldn't be strong enough to survive seeing my children buried alive, I would crack.

Sometimes I think I'd like to have a strong faith but the truth is, I often wonder how there can be a God who lets these things happen.

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Moll, it has been said God already knows everything that will happen, and the question has been asked, if so , why does He bother to let us go through it all if He already knows the outcome. Why not just run a simulation program and pick those he knows will survive. So it has been said they won't be there unless somebody gave birth to them. So he had to allow them to be given birth to. But then it has been said, that since He created the very first parents, Why could He just not create all their offspring that He finally chooses, but it has been said, selective breeding demands imperfections in order to culminate in a final perfect result.

He does not want to create pertfect people, he waNTS IMPERFECTION TO REALIZE hIS OWN PERFECTION. tHIS IS OUT OF hIS CONTROL.

He wants something out of His control to love Him all by themselves. Do you think He helps them on their way with these natural disasters?

Thats the question

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1430 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

way too complex to reason through
but seems to show some circular logic if there is logic
what we have in the world is a result of free will and clash of interest by intelligent design or as a result of evolution - we will never know what exactly

nobody knows for sure
some want to believe what they want to believe
many box their minds. even if we free our thining, we will not know the answer which will satisfy all people. people believe in things because they fear real or unreal. so why do you need to know what you will not accept because you fear?

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1430 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

just believe what you are comfortable with and do not impose on others
simple as that

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

What do you want me to say?That I am a rat in a cage next to a rabbit in a cage. We all have to be kept caged because we are so different to each other that were we to be let loose, we would just form the faura fauna of the world, without collectively being able to band together for our greater good?