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moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7705

Ricky wrote: people have choices and people make choices

Not always.......if only life were that simple.

I don't think people CHOOSE to be abused or disabled, I don't think people CHOOSE to be hit by a cyclone or an earthquake, I don't think people CHOOSE to be in a war zone.

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

moll wrote: Ricky wrote: people have choices and people make choices

Not always.......if only life were that simple.

I don't think people CHOOSE to be abused or disabled, I don't think people CHOOSE to be hit by a cyclone or an earthquake, I don't think people CHOOSE to be in a war zone.
so what is then the action? save people and leave pets and animals behind?

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Last week I was at the local animal shelter shopping for a shelter kitty for my new apartment, and a thought occurred to me.....that here in California, the government even has clean shelters for animals with no homes. But it does not care about all of the homeless in the streets.

homeless have shelters too in usa. people's taxes support that as well
US doesn't have near enough shelters for the homeless. If you've ever seen the number of homeless people walking around in almost any city you'd see what I mean. I volunteer in a women's shelter that's a nice one. But those kinds are few and far between. There needs to be more care for the homeless, instead of maybe care for the criminals. There are huge prisons for the criminals but no place for the people who have no place to live. There is something wrong with this. :idea:
i suppose animals are not criminals. :!: what is the point?

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

moll wrote: Ricky wrote: people have choices and people make choices

Not always.......if only life were that simple.

I don't think people CHOOSE to be abused or disabled, I don't think people CHOOSE to be hit by a cyclone or an earthquake, I don't think people CHOOSE to be in a war zone.
moll those are not normal conditions

i still say animals are captives of people's choices and actions and if people have few choices. animals have fewer choices because of people

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7705

Ricky wrote: moll wrote: Ricky wrote: people have choices and people make choices

Not always.......if only life were that simple.

I don't think people CHOOSE to be abused or disabled, I don't think people CHOOSE to be hit by a cyclone or an earthquake, I don't think people CHOOSE to be in a war zone.
moll those are not normal conditions

i still say animals are captives of people's choices and actions and if people have few choices. animals have fewer choices because of people

Ricky, half of the world's children live in poverty, half of the world's population have problems accessing clean water, a quarter of the world's people have no electricity, through no fault of their own, just an accident of birth.........you and I are probably in the world's top 5% of 'haves' while billions of people are suffering.

I never said animals don't have rights, they do......they're as much God's creatures as we are. But assuming that you only have x amount of money to donate to charity, I don't understand how an animal's life is worth more than a human life.

Animal abuse happens, of course it does and I hate to see an animal badly treated as much as you do....but I hate to see people suffering even more.

saffron · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 2881 Location: Orange, Calf. USA

saffron wrote: Ricky wrote: saffron wrote: Last week I was at the local animal shelter shopping for a shelter kitty for my new apartment, and a thought occurred to me.....that here in California, the government even has clean shelters for animals with no homes. But it does not care about all of the homeless in the streets.

homeless have shelters too in usa. people's taxes support that as well
US doesn't have near enough shelters for the homeless. If you've ever seen the number of homeless people walking around in almost any city you'd see what I mean. I volunteer in a women's shelter that's a nice one. But those kinds are few and far between. There needs to be more care for the homeless, instead of maybe care for the criminals. There are huge prisons for the criminals but no place for the people who have no place to live. There is something wrong with this. :idea:
Quote: animals are not criminals. :!:
Noooo they're not. :roll: Quote:
what is the point?
If you would read what I wrote you'd get 'the point'. I'm sorry if your reading comprehension level is low.

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

saffron wrote: your reading comprehension level is low.

that is very funny :lol:

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2146 Location: South Africa

Hey there Ricky. I am with Moll and Saffron , though your point erm...let me find it...bbn....

Quote: you know if a society recognizes and acts upon animals' rights, this society is humane enough to take care of people as well

I think that animals are the servants of people and unless they know how to be humane with each other, their servants will just have to take the scraps that fall off the table serving human kind. If people were humane enough to take care of animals, it is because they have learned to do it amongst themselves first

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

RoughShod wrote: Hey there Ricky. I am with Moll and Saffron , though your point erm...let me find it...bbn....

Quote: you know if a society recognizes and acts upon animals' rights, this society is humane enough to take care of people as well

I think that animals are the servants of people and unless they know how to be humane with each other, their servants will just have to take the scraps that fall off the table serving human kind. If people were humane enough to take care of animals, it is because they have learned to do it amongst themselves first

point taken but I have to disappoint you Roughy :D

we are animals as well, remember your high school curriculum? :wink:

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

RoughShod wrote: Hey there Ricky. I am with Moll and Saffron , though your point erm...let me find it...bbn....

Quote: you know if a society recognizes and acts upon animals' rights, this society is humane enough to take care of people as well

I think that animals are the servants of people and unless they know how to be humane with each other, their servants will just have to take the scraps that fall off the table serving human kind. If people were humane enough to take care of animals, it is because they have learned to do it amongst themselves first

:lol: :lol: :lol: human beings and dogs and cats are all mamals. actually dogs and cats and cats and mice are way more humane to each other than human beings to human beings. A dog may bark at a cat and make it run and climb a tree - but this is the worst which may happen. A cat may scratch a dog but that is the worst that can happen. A cat may eat a mouse but that is the worst which can happen. The latter is a natural thing in the life chain. Human beings raise and butcher cows, sheep, kill whales, etc etc etc TO EAT - nothing more or less humane than a cat eats a mouse unless you are ready to become a vegetarian. I am sure as any man you just love steak but you are not ready to admit that you are just as barbarian eating a cow as a cat catching a mouse. In fact, a cat is doing you a favor - disease control 8) while you will not eat a cow with a mad cow disease, but a cat will destory a mouse or a rat which can spread disease or destroy your crop or house or a sock or steal your cheese! :lol: Animals and pets do not organize mass murder, economic wars, totalitarian regimes, lies, deciepts - all INHUMANE things you can think of. Animals eat each other same as you eat them to satisfy your hunger not less not more under ordinary circumstances of natural evolution. But people are greedy and INHUMANE to each other and animals as well - to the entire animal kingdom. pets and animals live in harmony, disharmony is created by human beings. They are "intelligent" and greedy enough to set it off balance. You need cheaper oil. you need more luxuries not just enough to sustain life as animals do, but human beings need EXCESS which is greed and greed is inhumane. "Greed is good" said Adam Smith but he was an economist NOT a HUMANIST or PACIFICT. economic greed is not equal equality, is not equal equity, is not equal humanity.

in fact, a dog is so humane he or she will risj his oer her life to save yours!!!!! this is inhumane by your account???? will you risk your life to save your dog? Will you jump in a lake to save a dog? Will you fight a criminal to save a dog? It seems to me you wont as you treat them as servants not your friends! Dogs will. I had my own dog save my life, risk his life to prevent a robbery. He was almost a lap dog but a devoted HUMANE pet. I have never seen a human being stretching his limits to such an extent. I think I would be a coward too. You may say instinct? How could a pet then have a strategy in both cases I could not even think of? Additionally, is humanity a 100% brain function? not necessarily.

moreover, since by definition we are all mamals and thus animals, and if animals are here to be our servants, by your denifinition you suggest slavery and other socially undesirable things...Was slavery humane? or did people make other people to be their servants because servants could not be humane to each other? see where your absence of solid logic leads to? I hope you get the drift, Roughy. By suggesting a less humane treatment of other creatures in the animal kingdom than I would suggest, Rough you are LESS HUMANE than I am, thus, You should be my servant :lol:

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2146 Location: South Africa

Well, I tried to show a picture of a cat hugging a dog here but it seems the attachment effort of this forum is too full . Anyway it depicts a cat luxuriosly lying down with its legs flayed out on top of a doggie hugging it and looking into the camera with totally satisfied eyes. My daughter sent me that photo with the caption...Privousy if you please.

Ricks, that thing about animals eating each other already crossed my mind before I posted that message. The fact of the matter is that it is not animals(non human mammals) that control this earth, it is us. Though many of us (human mammals are actually comforted by our non human mammal friends, it still remains a fact that non human mammals are our servants. They do not have the ability to change the world unless by their influence on us non animal humane mammals are persuaded to be taught by how they solve their own problems

To think that helping an animal will help us solve our own problems amongst ourselves is like saying that adding petrol to a burning engine will make it work again. it uses the fuel, but in a controlled way, adding it increases power if done in a controlled way, but if that damn engine is on fire, adding fuel will only increase the blaze. you adding fuel to a burning problem out of control. who cares a fk about animals when we cannot even function as human beings.

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

RoughShod wrote: Well, I tried to show a picture of a cat hugging a dog here... it depicts a cat luxuriosly lying down with its legs flayed out on top of a doggie hugging it and looking into the camera with totally satisfied eyes. My daughter sent me that photo with the caption...Privousy if you please.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that was supposed to be my next paragraph :lol:

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2146 Location: South Africa

Ricky, why on earth do you still show up here? I have always thought of you as an intelligent person with ambition to achieve your goals.

Are you showing weakness and perhaps dissappointment by coming on here? (relative to what you hope to achieve)?

Ricky · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: OVERSEAS ;)

RoughShod wrote: Ricky, why on earth do you still show up here? I have always thought of you as an intelligent person with ambition to achieve your goals.

Are you showing weakness and perhaps dissappointment by coming on here? (relative to what you hope to achieve)?

i am having small rest filling my brain with nothingness so it recharges
something wrong with that? :lol:
i was supposed to read for my ambitions but my brain is tired

sorry i do not have weaknesses 8)

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2146 Location: South Africa

Sorry Ricks, you do have a weakness, you answer me ;)...sorry hey. I know I have weaknesses ;)