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kamar · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 10597

Now I will say something.

I started last night to read the Bible and till now...I don't like too much...I'm reading the genesis and I find it not so nice :?

What I found and I was not knowing, is that aslo in my religion is forbiddend to eat pork and last night I asked myself why Christian people eat it, often too. Bible say also is forbidden to eat meat with blood, but much people here, do that.......

Now I think that very little people, and I mean Christian people, know the Bible, read it, because is very difficolt here to find people that follow it.......

So...what is religion for Christian people ? so is for this lost we all values of life ? We don't read, we don't ask and people think is enough to go in Church fro X-mas for to be right in Christianity but......all is wrong.......

I'll continue to read the Bible for to know more and I'll tell you what I thik about and I'll read again Koran but from what I read till now in Bible, I feel like I'm reading a novel...till now I have not found nothing interesting about teaching of life.........

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

Kamar, the old testament and new testament seem contrary to each, and for good reason.In the old testament people were ruled by law (as in the 10 commandments for instance). Since God could not stand to see their sin, they were obliged to sacrifice an animal whose blood then would cover their sin from God.

In the new testament it is totally different. God knew the weaknesses of man, that he never would be acceptable trying to follow a law....so God introduced His son, to become a one and only sacrifice, and there was something new that would happen if man accepted this sacrifice.........................Man would no longer be bound by law to do what was good, man no longer would be judged by law by what he did, the law no longer existed, it became written upon such a man's heart to do what was good , because he loved the creator that was good. Even though he sinned, sin no longer could accuse him of breaking the law, it no longer had the power to judge him. All that judged him was his consciounce, the law written upon his heart. If peace alluded him, it was quite likely because he was not listening to the law written upon his heart.

It simply means Kamar, that none of us can be good enough for God, He has said our best deeds are like dirty rags before Him anyway, all He wants is for us to love Him, and accept a blood covering of our sins so that He cannot see them.

kamar · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 10597

I'm slow to read the Bible...like always :oops: :oops: :oops:

Hoss · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2539 Location: Cairo, Egypt

It's so interesting to go back to basics and think...Good idea Kamar 8)
By the way, there is a book I read some time ago called " The Bible, Quran, and Science" It considers both holy books from the point of view of view of modern knowledge. The author's name is Dr. Maurice Bucaille :

In his objective study of the texts, Maurice Bucaille clears away many preconceived ideas about the Old Testament, the Gospels and the Qur'an. He tries, in this collection of Writings, to separate what belongs to Revelation from what is the product of error or human interpretation. His study sheds new light on the Holy Scriptures. At the end of a gripping account, he places the Believer before a point of cardinal importance: the continuity of a Revelation emanating from the same God, with modes of expression that differ in the course of time. It leads us to meditate upon those factors which, in our day, should spiritually unite rather than divide-Jews, Christians and Muslims.

As a surgeon, Maurice Bucaille has often been in a situation where he was able to examine not only people's bodies, but their souls. This is how he was struck by the existence of Muslim piety and by aspects of Islam which remain unknown to the vast majority of non-Muslims. In his search for explanations which are otherwise difficult to obtain, he learnt Arabic and studied the Qur'an. In it, he was surprised to find statements on natural phenomena whose meaning can only be understood through modern scientific knowledge.

He then turned to the question of the authenticity of the writings that constitute the Holy Scriptures of the monotheistic religions. Finally, in the case of the Bible, he proceeded to a confrontation between these writings and scientific data.

The results of his research into the Judeo-Christian Revelation and the Qur'an are set out in this book.

Here is a link to read more about it :
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/foreword.htm

I bought the book from India and it is printed in several languages...

kamar · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 10597

this is very interesting Hoss. Thanks so much.
I was really looking for something like that :wink:

moll · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 7683

Hoss wrote:

As a surgeon, Maurice Bucaille has often been in a situation where he was able to examine not only people's bodies, but their souls.

Hoss, how can anybody do that, examine people's souls? it sounds like an interesting book, but if he's saying he can see into people's souls, I don't get it........

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

I agree Moll, a person's soul is not in mans domain to analize, it is a spiritual domain possed only by the wearer of it, namely the person living in this life. The day a persons souls can be analyzed and judged by man is the day man has become God. It is not within the domain of human reasoning, it is the thing that says we need a God whether we like that thought or not, it is not an entity that can be reasoned with, only one that we try to fool with our human foolishness

Hoss · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2539 Location: Cairo, Egypt

moll wrote: Hoss wrote:

As a surgeon, Maurice Bucaille has often been in a situation where he was able to examine not only people's bodies, but their souls.

Hoss, how can anybody do that, examine people's souls? it sounds like an interesting book, but if he's saying he can see into people's souls, I don't get it........

Moll,
What I can figure out from this is that it's only figurative speech, indicating his ability/ tendency to study the psyche of the people rather than just study the physical body...
The Soul is another story which has it's own adventurers, who claim to have contact with the people from the other world...There are several books about this issue and the authors claim real stories which the human mind would be puzzled to even understand...That would be the subject of another debate I guess...

RoughShod · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 2109 Location: South Africa

My customers bring me a machine that I cannot get spares for.....and wonder why I cannot use the spares from another machine. It may be the same power rating, has the same output speed....but there are differences in gear ratios.efficiency etc, this I try to explain to them, there is no single criteria that will standardize these machines into just one formula for success, because success is dependant on what will make the most money. Cheaper machines may use a lower grade of metal, bearings, a cheaper way of manufacturing the different parts. It is possible there is a perfect formula for a superior machine out there, but all the players in the industry are using price against quality to compete.

Some will make very cheap machines that when something serious goes wrong with it, one just disposes of it. Others develop more expsenive machines that last a lot longer before something serious goes wrong with it, and it is still a valid choice to repair it. Some conscider those who have a theft rate so high, that they would prefer to buy a very cheap machine that quite likely will be stolen before it breaks.....this list goes on and on.

In spiritual affairs I suppose the perfect machine parallel would be a soul that was ensured eternal salvation basically. All religions seem to have that as their end goal, but you just have to look at all the shortcomings to realize that wheeling and dealing is taking place to ensure a particular model of religion will become popular. The bible and the quoran both seem to have briliant guidelines for living a good life...but look at the fanaticism of some islamic mambers. look at the hypocrisy of christian members.............................they both supposedly serve the same God

And somebody seems to think they know the human soul??????????????????????

Explorer the eighth · Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 818 Location: England

kamar wrote: Now I will say something.

I started last night to read the Bible and till now...I don't like too much...I'm reading the genesis and I find it not so nice :?

What I found and I was not knowing, is that aslo in my religion is forbiddend to eat pork and last night I asked myself why Christian people eat it, often too. Bible say also is forbidden to eat meat with blood, but much people here, do that.......

Now I think that very little people, and I mean Christian people, know the Bible, read it, because is very difficolt here to find people that follow it.......

So...what is religion for Christian people ? so is for this lost we all values of life ? We don't read, we don't ask and people think is enough to go in Church fro X-mas for to be right in Christianity but......all is wrong.......

I'll continue to read the Bible for to know more and I'll tell you what I thik about and I'll read again Koran but from what I read till now in Bible, I feel like I'm reading a novel...till now I have not found nothing interesting about teaching of life.........
It is better to start with the wisdom literature like Ecclesiastes which looks at the world as it appears to be. Life can appear to be meaningless, but it is not really meaningless. Ecclesiastes is a good book for the modern age in which there are so many atheists and agnostics.

The Bible isn't a book to read like a novel. It is far too deep for that. It is useful to study small sections of it in detail with the help of some good commentaries such as Hendriksen's More than Conquerers which gives us an insight into the very difficult book of Revelation, or Bishop Ryle's expository thoughts on the gospels.

kamar · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 10597

Let me say the Old Testament disliked me too much....so I closed to read Bible.

Hoss · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2539 Location: Cairo, Egypt

kamar wrote: Let me say the Old Testament disliked me too much....so I closed to read Bible.

Be patient Kamar :) One does not understand from reading a "book" only once..So what about a "Holy Book"! :roll:
Maybe you can try with the New Testament, or even try Explorer's suggestion...
You have to keep trying if you really want to understand and judge from a full prespective...

kamar · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 10597

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa, it made me tired.
It is like to read a novel........I read a bit of new testament and it is better but I know that so I prefer to leave all that lol :lol:

patrick2007 · Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 33 Location: UNITED KINGDOM

m m m ! well the the first book of the bible was written about 1456 B.C by moses in the wilderness of Sinai and the quran came over 2,000 years later --- the big diffence between the bible and the quran is that the bible says that God has a son, and the quran says that God does not have a son